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spiritus mundi and you [Dec. 13th, 2005|05:02 am]
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Opinions on how the idea of an universal unconscious and the reality of solipsism interact:

[User Picture]From: gwodder
2005-12-15 08:04 pm (UTC)
"The Reality of Solipsism" is a fiction.

You've got two minds in your head. Both your left and right brain can take care of the body on their own. YOU, however, are a synthesis of those two viewpoints. The left brain and right brain may very well think that all they can know is the input in their personal hemisphere but YOU know better. You are, in fact, 'closer to universal (un)consciousness' than either of your individual brains in an of themselves are. Each little piece of you contributes to a larger piece, and each of those to a larger piece, and each of those to "You"...

if we scale-jump DOWN to the smaller dimensions of individual neurons and molecules and atoms we never have to stop - why stop when going larger? I, at least, contribute in part to the living entity called 'my family'.

If you are comprised of individually cognitive parts but appear to be a 'solipsistic' individual cognitive entity, keep in mind that you're made of similar and similar may indeed be made of you.

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[User Picture]From: rparker
2005-12-15 08:52 pm (UTC)

Idiot means private.

-Does the left or right brain control spatial perception? the ability to use maps, memorize images, think visually?
-SSRIs and the ability of the brain to take care of itself/function at maximum efficiency?
-Is it possible to coerce the left and right brain into acknowledgment of the input received by the other?

I don't have time to really consider/reply at this moment; however, those are my immediate questions. I have difficulty acknowledging some things that I know to be "true." Examples include the idea that I'm the same species as other people. I don't literally believe that I'm not, but I have trouble believing that I am. Add to that a slew of other absurdities that I cringe to contemplate, let alone admit. Many of the things I'd say (and do say when panicking) are/sound psychotic and/or delusional and/or like moronic pseudo philosophy. I have a degree of difficulty with certain mental processes (mainly dealing with visualizing/images) that I sometimes suspect mental retardation. There are emotional and social concepts I was never able to understand until under the influence of SSRIs; some of these I'm aware of but cannot participate in.

-If you're aware that you're fucked up, are you fucked up or just lazy?

I'm not sure that I'm able/willing to engage in this discussion in the manner in which you are. But I might try; it could be fun.
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[User Picture]From: gwodder
2005-12-15 09:09 pm (UTC)

Re: Idiot means private.

it SHOULD be fun. The methodology of discussion that brings me the most benefit in terms of becoming able/willing to discuss matters in certain dimensions is a model like this :

i only mean to present what i have to say as a gift to he or she that i'm presenting it to - when i speak of cognitive matters i try to frame a way of thinking that's brought me some subjective benefit or produced new sources of interesting input and questioning... in other words,

there's no accusation or argument in my speech if my true intentions are met. maybe that makes discussion easier?

This should be Fun, first and foremost.

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[User Picture]From: rparker
2005-12-19 10:12 am (UTC)

Re: Idiot means private.

No, no, that wasn't what I meant at all. I understood what you meant and didn't view it as an accusation or an argument... It's more that I was accusing myself (of this exact scenario).

My biggest complaint used to be something along the lines of "I exist"; two words which really freaked me out. At the moment I'm generally happy, and content, and unlikely to achieve those kind of states of freaked-outed-ness. A solution isn't urgent, or even that important, but more of an idea.

So yeah. I comprehend what you write and it's a sane enough response to the original question I asked. I don't have the scientific knowledge to properly combat it. And yes, to a certain extent I do think that if I were to engage in discussion of it I ought to refute it because it seems that my existence is certain proof of its negation. A few undergraduate psychology classes do not an informed argument make. The joke is the reason WHY I backed away from a psych major: the animals.

The animals: I'm not sure if they support or refute an argument for a definite solipsism. Both. I don't want to defend solipsism (OR a universal unconscious for that matter). I also don't want it disproved. What I meant in my last comment was an apology for comments like this (ha!). I'm constantly writing around something I haven't had the balls to define for five years. It's something I refuse to stare at directly anymore and feel that it isn't safe to consciously consider. However, my composition skills are probably adequate to the task of expressing it if I tried. Except, I wouldn't feel that it was an accurate representation. It doesn't matter if it's accurate because I have nothing to gain from it being accurate. So yeah, in this weird retarded way I'm writing a response; but it is not because I'm not sure that there is any content in this post that actually attempts to convey information beyond myself. I just murdered the time and now,
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[User Picture]From: gwodder
2005-12-19 07:17 pm (UTC)

Re: Idiot means private.

A few undergraduate psychology classes are indeed a shaky ground upon which to form an argument.

The experience and understanding of those few semesters cannot hold a CANDLE to the experience and understanding gained through your lifetime from conception to the present. Take heart(!) because you are already more than the sum of ALL these academic disciplines.

Wish i had more time At the Moment. The animals are a really tricky vein of discussion. But one vector of approach that I think doesn't immediately open itself up to a million vectors of doubts is that, well,

the animals are Learning Creatures. it's as good a place as any to start. Cheers
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